B: Because all this time we have been preparing and encouraging each other to confront the enemy and the enemy at home and be aware of the abominable action they had taken.
B: That's what happened. And because of the fact that we instilled that feeling in them. And it was induced.
B: On the first day, which was held for the briefing and preparation of the forces after the Friday prayers, they spoke there, and they were ambiguous.
B: But we understand this today. That is, after the last and final announcement that was made, we realized.
B: And that day we did not look at it this way at all, that some of their words and reports are ambiguous.
B: At the night session these issues were repeated again, and the next day in the same way: morning, noon, night, until the last day that Mr. Hajizadeh made an announced.
B: This means that the meeting that was held after his announcement was full of tensions, and the atmosphere of the first and second days were gone.
B: It was full of tension between the forces, and protesting against this behavior, as well as very determine for a reason, and to get a convincing answer for this action.
B: Which we saw that by condemning, and blaming an individual, they tried to end the issue.
B: But the fact remains that we are not convinced and this persuasion will not happen, because we know the subject and we know what the mechanism of it is, and what happened was impossible.
A: Tell is about the place that the decisions were made, the board, who ordered it, and who approved it. If you please kindly tell us. Because you were suppose to tell us about a list.
B: Yes, Absolutely. There are 22 members who routinely attend such meetings.
B: But there were 42 present that night, and of those 42, eight were not registered.
B: From the registered ones, I will read a of 29 list for you. Also will read the rest for you.
B: Of course, I had to find a sheet, which I could not find, but I’m currently going to read the list for you, in order.
B: I have a special night in mind; That special night, which the meeting was held at the House of Leaders to decide on action against the United States.
B: In the presence of the regular members and the guests whom were invited to that special meeting.
B: Well, I’ll read from the list, and you listen.
B: Mr. Mohammad Mohammadi Golpayegani
Mr. Ali Asghar Hejazi
Mr. Mohsen Qomi
Mr. Seyed Ali Moghadam
Mr. Mohammad Javad Irvani
Mr. Hossein Mohammadi
Mr. Hossein Fadaei
Mr. Hashem Rasouli
Mr. Mr. Adel
And the son of Mr. Mojtaba Khamenei
B: I just read to you, 26 of the people on the list that I had right now.
B: If we deduct from the 42.
A: 16 would be left.
B: Yes; Minus the eight that we’re not registered in their book, which I don’t know them, they were unknown-guests on that specific night.
B: But the eight that are missing from this list. Which, I’ll also read them to you.
B: Now, either until the end of the conversation, or one to two hours later, I will also read the 8 for you.
A: Is this command clear? Who exactly was it from? Whose plan and order was it? And what did Khamenei do there? Was it Khamenei's approval? Or not? How was it?
B: You see, let me first tell you the names of the military advisers whom were present. Who were these military advisers?
B: Mr. Fadaei Mr. Salami Mr. Naqbi Mr. Rashid Mr. Firoozabadi Mr. Ashtari Mr. Bagheri Mr. Kosari Mr. Shamkhani Mr. Safavi
B: The number of people I read all have military backgrounds, meaning that they are all either commanders, advisers or as such officials in military affairs.
B: I mean, the number of people that I just mentioned to you, whom all have military affiliation. Raises a big question mark on the night of the incident, by itself.
B: As per why so many military officials were present at the meeting on this night?
B: This in itself shows that this work was planned in advance and they knew and were informed and these people were gathered with the knowledge of this issue.
B: I could not convince myself that by chance all these people at once, were there that night.
B: Because without exception the number of people that I mentioned to you. Which I’ll Again send you all their profile, title, and job descriptions, via internet.
B: This many number of military personnel in a meeting of 42, which is about 12 to 13 of the 42 people who were present in this meeting.
B: Which only indicates that an important decision had to be made in the military discussion that the top military personnel of the country at the time were invited and have attended.
B: That you say; Who made the decision? Undoubtedly, all these people who had a military background, were all commentators, and commented, and analyzed.
B: Except for the rest, who are all politicians, these number of people definitely gave their direct opinions in the matter.
B: But the mechanism is based on the fact that the final decision is made by Mr. Khamenei himself, and doing so in this national magnitude of dimension is definitely done under the command and order of Mr. Khamenei.
B: And no one can directly and independently make such a decision from these people, or a group of these people can never decide and act as such.
B: Such a thing does not make sense at all, nor is it distorted. And this happened with the approval of Hazrat Agha Khamenei.
B: That long-term communication contact; I mean in terms of time, which happened on that particular night.
B: With the airport, with the watchtower, with the airport security corps, and the country's aviation organization.
B: All of this behaviour suggests that all this was a plot, and a plan, in fact not an coincidental.
B: Because four to five lines were involved, and one line was completely connected to the airport security corps as a continuous hotline.
B: And these questions show themselves, and becomes clear, when the passengers boarded the plane, then they get are asked to get off, and sent them to the waiting room. And the passengers are boarded on to the plane, again.
B: All these are a sign that a delay in time has taken place, with it was planned to buy time, in order to make their final decision.
B: In order to see which of the available options they want to choose. And unfortunately the unlucky lottery has fallen on this passenger plane.
B: And this tragic incident happened.
A: You found in your reports that the passengers were disembarked and re-boarded?
B: This is the report of the Airport Security Corps, which I both saw and read.
A: well, Let's get to the point of why they shot down this plane. There were other planes present that night.
B: Well, why they shot down this plane?
First, the aircraft was originally Ukrainian, and Ukraine's relations are influenced by Russian decisions and relations.
B: And since Russia has warm relations with Iran and Khamenei, the choice of the target was definitely made in coordination with Russia. And it certainly was not ineffective, and not without a role.
B: Why this plane? Well, the number of passengers is a priority, and in this, the largest number was Iranian with Iranian citizenship.
B: This number of Iranian passengers creates the illusion for them that they will eventually confuse the issue with a technical error.
B: And in the worst case, they are given an advance as insurance, and the case ends.
B: But well, if God wants something to be done, it will be done, and if He does not want it, nothing will be done.
B: The United States comes from the other side of the world and announces that they have received an infrared of two missiles.
B: Which forces them to accept their denial after hours of lies, and make an official announcement admitting to human error in their own words.
B: Their calculations were wrong, and in the middle of it, unfortunately, many lives were lost. "Academic and precious souls."
A: You said once that a number of moves had been made by the United States, and my question is that now the United States did not attack, why such an order was not revoked, why it was still implemented.
B: You see; America. You say why it was not canceled? No, it is not the case that the United States says we will not act.
B: That because of that they say, there is no need to do anything anymore.
B: Until the plane crash, they were convinced that the United States would definitely react.
B: And then they will blame the United States for what happened to this passenger plane with an internal conspiracy.
B: It is as if they did the same thing with the other Iranian passenger plane over the Persian Gulf.
B: There, in fact, the Iranian military plane was above the head of the Iranian passenger plane.
B: And the radar and radar equipment had correctly intercepted and detected a military aircraft.
B: And in fact, they fired at the military plane, not the passenger plane that was being used as a coverup.
B: The same thing happened with this plane. They planned and calculated for themselves that the US attack on Iran and the missile launcher they carried out on Iraqi soil and targeted the US base would definitely happen.
B: And then we will actually relate the American response to this passenger plane, and then we will say that it was their job.
A: But their plan backfired
B: The United States did not react at all and ignored the issue completely. Because; first of all, US knew that something like this is going to happened to them.
B: Secondly, US did not want to, and will not go to war with Iran at all, and all this was a propaganda slogan for the bloodshed that was shed from Mr. Soleimani.
B: They convinced the public opinion inside the country that we reacted. And this is our reaction, but in the middle of these mistakes they caused the death of so many of our compatriots.
A: You told me something last time that Mr. Shamkhani's speeches are very influential, and it seems as if the plan was actually proposed by him, which was later confirmed by Mr. Khamenei.
A: I wanted to know where Shamkhani's office is? how much he influences Mr. Khamenei? how much his words affect him?
B: He is a member of the National Security Council of Iran, and his influences in such decisions are very up-high.
B: Now when I explain to you in a sequence series, you will be Enlightened.
B: When a member of the Supreme National Security Council is present on the night of the incident along with 12 other senior military personnel.
B: While he is a member of this council and he has been an official ranking member, and continuously had the positions of commander in all these years.
B: And his closeness to Mr. Khamenei in these respects and the military advice that this gentleman has given to Mr. Khamenei and continues to give.
B: It has all been effective to show that he's important to Mr. Khamenei because of his views, and that he counts on those views.
B: And in fact, perhaps I can say that among the people present at that meeting, among the military people who were present, Mr. Shamkhani is at the top of these people in terms of opinion and final decision.
A: Yes, very well, where is his office?
B: Mr. Shamkhani has his office in the Supreme National Security Council.
B: And let me tell you something off-topic, he's one of those people who doesn't really need much coordination to meet with the leadership.
A: Thus; is his office is in the House of Leader’s?
B: No, It’s Not. The National Security Council is not a house of leadership if you want a location, it’s in the north, north of Tehran.
B: But, No; his office is not in the House of Leaders.
A: Well, I imagined; because a person whose so close to the leadership, might have an office there as well.
B: No, No. His Office is not there,
Mr. Rohani, and him, both.
A: Then it means, according to everything
That he is there as he wants, with
Or without permission slip.
B: He is free and can come and go there as he wants.
B: But meeting with the leadership is not like that and not just anyone can wish to meet with Mr. Khamenei at any moment.
B: There are few people who actually have such a position and one of them is Mr. Shamkhani who has such a positioning.
B: Mr. Soleimani, Mr. Shamkhani, Mr. Naqdi, Mr. Safavi, these are all in the position. Of course, I am telling you this from the military, I do not mean the politicians.
B: For example, Mr. Bagheri does not have such a position. You see what I mean?
A: Yes, that’s correct.
B: That is, despite being a top military man, and despite being considered a senior commander, he still does not have such a position.
A: Ah, because one of the families himself has researched and investigated has said that Shamkhani's office is in the house of the Supreme Leader. «I said, 'Well, I don't know.»
B: No, No. His office is not in the House of Leaders
A: It's great, I just want to ask at the end, what is the reason that you have trusted me as a representative of the families and you are cooperating, giving information and helping?
A: If you say about the reason for this, it is very good!
B: You see; First of all, I'm heartbroken and personally very sad about what has happened.
B: It is really horrible and unbelievable that my compatriots from high levels, from high academic level, have such a bad thing happen to them. This is my personal discussion.
B: But, the fact that why did decided yo talk with you; I really want to help, and to achieve justice, and that those who make this terrible decision, and played a role should be brought to justice, and punished for their actions.
B: And so they do not fall short of this crime so easily and freely, as they have fob so In these forty years over and over.
B: But really, these young people, the children, these people who worked with thousands of hopes and aspirations, and have progressed in a foreign country.
B: And they returned to visit their families, then when they wanted to return to their homes and lives, they had suffered the such fate instead.
B: It hurts and pain every human heart. What one’s job is or position, and what one’s beliefs are, I don't think it has any effect on the whole of the pain and thing that has happen.
B: And It’s from this belief and reason that I decided to talked with you.
B: I do have my own concerns; Concerns about what awaits me from speaking with you. But regardless I have made my decision to talk.
A: One question that has come to my mind just now was that in many places it was said that six people were arrested. And such talks. I think you may have heard this yourself.
A: I want to know if you have any information about the 6 people? Or who they really are? Is this really true or not?
B: No, not at all; This is definitely not true, This is one of those rumours that’s a spread or raised to calm the public opinion.
B: This military person has carried out the order of the high official, and did not make any military mistakes. Why should he be convicted? Why should he be punished?
B: Punishment for what criminal act when he has carried out the orders of higher authorities.
B: If he did not execute his orders, he would have assumed that he would be dealt with militarily actions and dealt with by the military tribunal.
B: And reach the highest of the punishments that have been decreed for him.
B: Whether this person or those six; Because I Only can hold one person responsible for the shooting, so I can not speak for myself.
B: But, In any case, one person or persons were all subject to the order, and did not do anything outside the order and by their own opinion and decision. Therefore it is impossible for them to deal with these people.
B: These things are only for domestic consumption and they are quite ridiculous.
A: I just saw something here that you talked about it last time.
A: That a team of 50 to 60 people had made communication between the leadership house and the airport.
B: This was the 42 people who were present at the meeting, and I read a lot of them to you, I read 29 to you. I have a few left to read to you. Of course, I do not have it now.
B: These people included the IRGC, and the security and air force of the whole country, and the missile project, which all interacted with each other. The total number of these people is around 60 or even more.
B: Whom were directly involved in the matter at that hour, and not just for minutes or an hour, but for three hours.
A: Very well; Im very thankful to you for talking with us.
A: Following what we talked about before, that you’ll give me the 2-file of our conversation together.
A: One of them, as you said, you’ll put beep sound effect on part you say your name, and you’ll twist the sound, then give me the complete file in two copies.
A: I will give that modified version to my lawyer, and I will keep the original for the court, or for the prosecutor if necessary. I'd be very grateful.
B: Absolutely, with pleasure.
A: Thank you again. Thank you. Anyway, at that time I also said that I am from a military family. Therefore I understand to some extent that this was a great step.
A: In any case, it is both frightening and humane, both of which are hard to see from both sides and are commendable.
B: Thank you kindly. Thank you.
A: I'm thankful; I will not take more of your time today. I think now, I honestly do not know how long it is. Let me look. I think we have been talking for an hour.
A: Anyway, thank you; I will be back in touch with you, and if there is a case I will send it to you, I will be happy for you to answer the questions I will ask in the future as much as you can.
A: Because I do not think this is something that can be achieved with one or two times or one conversation.
A: Probably newer theories will come of this, and more questions for us. If you could as much as possible help us again, I’ll be gratefully thankful.
B: I am at your service. Surely I’ll. I am at your service, and I will help as much as I can, and have the knowledge, and I will not hesitate.
A: Of course, I emphasized that this talk of ours will not be presented to the media in any way because of its importance. By no means.
A: Because it's actually a trump card we have, and it has to be presented in the right place with the best interest.
A: Because all these media’s are all in fact agents of government, and this invalidates the winning card. And that is the reality.
B: That’s correct, absolutely correct.
A: Of course, I have another job for you after this talk. Another talk. Now you can delete this part of the file before you give us the edited version.
A: That is whether in the property that exists or not. I will send you a series of photos of ours, so that if you have access to those depots, you can see if something comes out of it.
B: Okay, no problem, send it to me.
A: For example, like Shakiba's ring and watch, of course, it has no financial value for me, but it has a spiritual value.
B: Yes, I-know.
A: Because even the forensic doctor told us that there was no ring on her finger.
A: Of course, I do not know if Whether there was was any finger or a hand left. but this is the answer they gave me.